Semen as Antidepressant

Now that I have just written a rather dry post, I thought I'd see what's up with my Google Analytics. Some Google searches that have brought people to this site are pretty funny:

"obligatory sex activity" 

"paleo sex how often"

Well I much say that it's important for paleo dieters to have sex every day. It's obligatory because it's rather good for you. I totally apologize to the person who searched for "negative effects of men being pushed into having sex" for this post because it might cause more of that sort of thing.

Now that I have journal access again, I've been reading some interesting papers. I'm surprised this one was published, because I'm sure it will lead to some awkward pickup lines at campus bars.

Dude: Feeling down?

Girl: Yeah, just a bit.

Dude: Well I just read a paper in Archives of Sexual Behavior called Does Semen Have Antidepressant Properties? The p-value is pretty high. You might want to try it out.

Yes, I'm serious, this is a real paper. It relies on surveys of sexual behavior and depressive behavior in co-eds in Albany. That's one strike against it already, since people in Albany are known to be depressed because they live in Albany, despite the fact that 87% of the women were having sex. But more seriously, surveys themselves are rather suspect. I remember quite vividly lying on surveys in health class in high school, though I imagine they threw mine out because I said I did heroin 20 times a day.

The researchers cited evidence that hormones in semen are absorbed through the vaginal wall and could possibly influence behavior. Some of these hormones include testosterone, estrogen, follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone, prolactin, and a number of different prostaglandins. The vaginal cells are surprisingly good at absorbing these things. The researchers speculated that this might affect women's mood.

Based on the survey, it seems women engaging in unprotected sex were less depressed. Women who used condoms were just as depressed as women not having sex at all. The researchers admitted that the data was preliminary and correlational and call for further studies.

The researchers noted that there could be many explanations. Women who didn't use condoms had more sex, which the researchers said might make them less depressed (lol). They also said that given the risks of unprotected sex, that it might be more likely such women were in long-term monogamous relationships. When I wrote about Sex at Dawn, which posits that humans are "naturally promiscious" I noted that this doesn't really provide a solution for having a satisfying modern sex life. I think this paper highlights a benefit mostly enjoyed in long term monogamous relationships in our modern society where sex is fairly dangerous.

They regrettably omitted what is totally obvious to anyone who has ever used a condom already knows: that they suck and no one likes them.They also omitted discussion of other ways in which semen might enter a woman's system.

Other factors notably absent include whether or not the women practiced birth control and which type, which can have a huge influence on women's moods for better or worse.

What follows in this journal are two hilarious letters. One is Greater Frequency of Penile–Vaginal Intercourse Without Condoms is Associated with Better Mental Health and the other is Sparse Evidence for the Association between Lack of Condom Use and Better Mental Health, a killjoy which accurately takes down the survey accuracy of the studies cited. I do think that given all the stuff that's in semen, that it has more complex effects than we give it credit for. In hunter-gatherer societies women are often exposed to large amounts of it, and sometimes men are too.* And it's an interesting topic that I hope to post more about. Some other aspects that I've researched include the declining quality of semen in modern times. 

* See Ritualized Homosexuality in Melanesia (VERY VERY NSFW), one part of the Pacific diet that is not often written about...

Comments

Do condoms prevent bonding?

Do condoms prevent bonding?

I think unprotected sex may also cause the male to absorb psychoactive chemicals from the female. I recently had unprotected sex for the first time in many years, and was floored by how bonded it made me feel to my partner.

Now, no doubt it was at least partly because of the increased sensitivity, but the effect was so powerful and immediate that I was convinced I was absorbing something that was affecting my brain. ie, where I might typically have thoughts about how the sex felt good, this time there were thoughts like "this is my woman."

I think there have been many cases where technology has been assumed to be healthful simply because the existing science didn't have a framework for understanding how it might not be.

What if the adoption of _condoms_ are in part responsible for some depression among females, and males putative unwillingness to commit?

Love it! not the semen but

Love it! not the semen but the idea of a natural prozac... fortified:)

My wife and I were trying to

My wife and I were trying to have kids for 2 years. She always blamed our inability to conceive on my teen years as a regular pot smoker.

So finally I went and got tested...which was a good 3 years after having gone paleo.

The medical establishment considers a "good" semen sample is about 20 million sperm cells per ml.

I registered 354 million per ml.

The fertility specialist Doc couldn't believe it. He said it was the highest count he's seen in 20 years of practice. My wife was speechless... :)

I think it's because I eat a lot of saturated fats.

Needless to say, the problem wasn't me, and we figured out what was wrong with my wife, and eventually had our first child this past summer.

I feel like you deserve

I feel like you deserve congratulations. Or at least a high five!

Can you specify which article

Can you specify which article you read this in? If you could give a DOI link or something, that would be great!

http://tinyurl.com/3x3eh3l I

http://tinyurl.com/3x3eh3l

I don't do DOI links because I'm working within a proxy server.

This is obviously a safe

This is obviously a safe topic, since it so obviously supports marriage. ;-)

Like Michael I'll throw out another topic that had floated around native-nutrition in years past. Apparently there is some evidence that male circumcision greatly decreases female vaginal orgasms:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x/...

I have no idea how consistent the data is on this subject, but I would imagine any proposed anatomical mechanisms would be blunted by condom use.

But I still think your point about monogamy can't be ignored and if they didn't control for marriage and long-term monogamous relationships that seems like a big oversight. Regardless of how 'natural' or 'paleo' it might be, monogamy and especially marriage have some established psychological, emotional, financial and other benefits.

Chris

fascinating! Can't wait to

fascinating! Can't wait to use this at a party...

I have it on good authority

I have it on good authority that my paleo swimmers taste better than the swimmers sampled by the same semen taste tester from a SAD (technically a SNZD, but that doesn't quite sound the same) semen production unit. The sampler is n=1, so the statistical power is low (but with a high fun factor).

That begs the question then:

That begs the question then: is semen from grain-free (Paleo) individuals better than... CAFO/SAD would-be anti-depressants? Surely a better n6:n3 ratio no? Honey, have the real thing over here, none of that processed Franken-jizz s'il vous plait.

There was a study done a few

There was a study done a few years ago dealing with a similar topic, the stress relieving abilities of inter-penetrational (is that a word?) sex. Apparently this is only a benefit when a woman is penetrated by a man. Same sex relationships didn't appear to provide the same benefits.

It was posted to the native-nutrition yahoo group (probably by me, LOL!) but at the moment I can't seem to find it.

You had to know this was

You had to know this was coming... *no pun*

What about *cough* feeding it to her? Absorbed right?

Grok, you should really know

Grok, you should really know me better than that, of course I thought about that ;)

"They also omitted discussion of other ways in which semen might enter a woman's system."

Interestingly, there are some vegans who insist that ingesting semen and women's vaginal fluids are a vegan way of getting b12.

I knew I loved vegans!

I knew I loved vegans!

Well, as my further post will

Well, as my further post will elucidate, vegans have less nutritious semen.

I guess they'll just need to

I guess they'll just need to consume more of it ;)